[Lmms-users] Possible changes in the old pdf manual

Discussion:

Stian Jørgensrud

2014-12-06 19:45:51 UTC

But it may not be able to produce music of certain types.
For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues

music because they use blues notes,

which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor.

Page 151, Section about World Music.
Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would be
the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing
blues.

In the subsection Limitations of Percussion

So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match
the demands of your music.

--
Hilsen
Stian JÃžrgensrud

Tres Finocchiaro

2014-12-06 21:45:51 UTC

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We haven't discussed this yet, but Raindrops, would you be willing to offer
the current manual to our project in source form (i.e. OpenOffice, MS Word,
etc?) Having the "source" for this manual would ensure we have the ability
to maintain your hard work in the event you leave the project.

-Tres

But it may not be able to produce music of certain types.

For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues

music because they use blues notes,

which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor.

So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match
the demands of your music.

Yeah, it may feel limiting, but I just realized (the last time I wrote to
you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have zoomed
in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B Editor
can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how limiting it
is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes.
https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116
I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe
limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to
Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to
make drums in the Song Editor too.
--
Hilsen
Stian JÃžrgensrud
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Raindrops From Sky

2014-12-08 06:27:39 UTC

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*Hi Stian,*

*@Piano Editor as BB Editor*
Interesting point, Stian! I will definitely include this "workaround".

*@Blue notes ("Worried notes"):*
I have raised this issue in a separate post. When I posted the first mail,
I thought that a neat workaround existed. But then I realized that it is
not possible because of a limitation in the LMMS design, and posted a
follow-up message almost immediately.

To sum up, IMHO the present design of LMMS does not allow us to create the
blue notes that are so essential to the Blues/Jazz.

Regards,
Narayan

Post by Tres Finocchiaro
We haven't discussed this yet, but Raindrops, would you be willing to
offer the current manual to our project in source form (i.e. OpenOffice, MS
Word, etc?) Having the "source" for this manual would ensure we have the
ability to maintain your hard work in the event you leave the project.
-Tres

But it may not be able to produce music of certain types.

For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues

music because they use blues notes,

which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor.

Page 151, Section about World Music.
Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would
be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing
blues.
In the subsection Limitations of Percussion

So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match
the demands of your music.

Raindrops From Sky

2014-12-08 06:32:06 UTC

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Hi Tres,

I provide long-term support for all my manuals.

so far I have written 10+ manuals for different projects. Some of them are
almost 10 years old.
In fact, I keep updating these manuals as I find time, and that's why I
don't share the source (because it would be outdated.)

But if someone wants the source for translating, I can provide the source.
In fact, I have already done that for the German version of LMMS manual.

I will make this more specific in the manual itself, so that more
translators can get inspired.

Cheers!
Narayan

But it may not be able to produce music of certain types.

For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and Blues

music because they use blues notes,

which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor.

Page 151, Section about World Music.
Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would
be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing
blues.
In the subsection Limitations of Percussion

So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match
the demands of your music.

Tres Finocchiaro

2014-12-08 12:41:10 UTC

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@Narayan,

It is your right to keep any creative works you have created (and to
provide the publication and sources under a license you deem appropriate),
so I don't want to sound pushy, however, we do a great job of keeping all
other creative sources which the project relies on (at least those
resources we have sources for) backed up into an online repository which
gives the project the security of knowing the source will outlive the
creator.

So it's less a matter of **who** will support the manual moving forward,
but more of an **if** it is no longer maintained, and when it comes to a
project the and magnitude of ours, that often means **when** it is no
longer maintained.

But there are some other benefits to this approach as well... As our wiki
maintainers find issues with either the online or PDF version of our
documentation, we can track it in our tracker (either open a ticket, or use
the comments/highlight feature on the source document). Furthermore,
GitHub has version control -- albeit not tailored for publishing -- can
revert to an earlier state of a document if needed.

On a personal note -- as one of the technical reviewers of the Packt book
and author of 500+ technical documents -- I can reassure you that very few
people edit documents they haven't created themselves, but there are some
benefits in committing the source of your work upstream, so I wanted to
leave you with at least these thoughts (i.e. no pressure, just sharing some
thoughts)

- ***@gmail.com

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Raindrops From Sky <

Post by Raindrops From Sky
Hi Tres,
I provide long-term support for all my manuals.
so far I have written 10+ manuals for different projects. Some of them are
almost 10 years old.
In fact, I keep updating these manuals as I find time, and that's why I
don't share the source (because it would be outdated.)
But if someone wants the source for translating, I can provide the source.
In fact, I have already done that for the German version of LMMS manual.
I will make this more specific in the manual itself, so that more
translators can get inspired.
Cheers!
Narayan
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Tres Finocchiaro <

But it may not be able to produce music of certain types.

For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and

Blues music because they use blues notes,

which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor.

Page 151, Section about World Music.
Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would
be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing
blues.
In the subsection Limitations of Percussion

So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to match
the demands of your music.

to you) why you can place drum notes in the Song Editor when you have
zoomed in 800% or more. It is because you then just as easily as in the B&B
Editor can make drums in the Song Editor! So it could be debatable how
limiting it is. Also some artists tend to write their drums as notes.
https://lmms.io/lsp/?action=show&file=5116
I don't know if the Limitation of Percussion is meant to only describe
limitations, and then you describe alternatives in Alternatives to
Limitation of Percussion :) or if you just could add that it is easy to
make drums in the Song Editor too.
--
Hilsen
Stian JÃžrgensrud
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Raindrops From Sky

2014-12-08 12:49:45 UTC

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Tres,

Yes I do agree that keeping the sources in a repository has these
advantages.

How do I place my source docs in repository? Could you please point to the
process?

Thanks in advance!

Regards
Narayan

Post by Tres Finocchiaro
@Narayan,
It is your right to keep any creative works you have created (and to
provide the publication and sources under a license you deem appropriate),
so I don't want to sound pushy, however, we do a great job of keeping all
other creative sources which the project relies on (at least those
resources we have sources for) backed up into an online repository which
gives the project the security of knowing the source will outlive the
creator.
So it's less a matter of **who** will support the manual moving forward,
but more of an **if** it is no longer maintained, and when it comes to a
project the and magnitude of ours, that often means **when** it is no
longer maintained.
But there are some other benefits to this approach as well... As our wiki
maintainers find issues with either the online or PDF version of our
documentation, we can track it in our tracker (either open a ticket, or use
the comments/highlight feature on the source document). Furthermore,
GitHub has version control -- albeit not tailored for publishing -- can
revert to an earlier state of a document if needed.
On a personal note -- as one of the technical reviewers of the Packt book
and author of 500+ technical documents -- I can reassure you that very few
people edit documents they haven't created themselves, but there are some
benefits in committing the source of your work upstream, so I wanted to
leave you with at least these thoughts (i.e. no pressure, just sharing some
thoughts)
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Raindrops From Sky <

Post by Raindrops From Sky
Hi Tres,
I provide long-term support for all my manuals.
so far I have written 10+ manuals for different projects. Some of them
are almost 10 years old.
In fact, I keep updating these manuals as I find time, and that's why I
don't share the source (because it would be outdated.)
But if someone wants the source for translating, I can provide the source.
In fact, I have already done that for the German version of LMMS manual.
I will make this more specific in the manual itself, so that more
translators can get inspired.
Cheers!
Narayan
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Tres Finocchiaro <

But it may not be able to produce music of certain types.

For example, within the Western music, LMMS cannot create Jazz and

Blues music because they use blues notes,

which cannot be produced by the Piano Roll Editor.

Page 151, Section about World Music.
Wow I didn't know about *blue notes*, not blues notes cause that would
be the regular "western ones". Except for them, LMMS is capable of playing
blues.
In the subsection Limitations of Percussion

So this is another area where you may feel that LMMS is unable to
match the demands of your music.

Tres Finocchiaro

2014-12-08 12:59:23 UTC

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On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Raindrops From Sky <

Post by Raindrops From Sky
Tres,
Yes I do agree that keeping the sources in a repository has these
advantages.
How do I place my source docs in repository? Could you please point to the
process?

Fantastic question. I would tend to lean towards placing it into the
lmms.io source on GitHub. The Wiki and our tracker for it resides there
and having this document in own dedicated repo is probably overkill at this
point.

For starters, you should create a GitHub account. I've already created a
bug report here which you can feel free to comment on:
https://github.com/LMMS/lmms.io/issues/117

I've tagged a few others as well. :)

If we go this route, we'd check it into the source code of the website in a
place we all deem appropriate.